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National Parks Overflights Advisory Group

National Parks Overflights Advisory Group (NPOAG)
June 14-15, 2007
8:30 AM to 5:00 PM
Chaparral Suites
Scottsdale, AZ

Meeting called by: NPOAG Chair - Karen Trevino, National Park Service

Note taker: Faviola Garcia

Meeting Members

   Heidi Williams

   Elling Halvorson

   Matthew Zuccaro

   Alan Stephen

   Chip Dennerlein

   Gregory Miller, Ph.D.

   Don Barger

   Mark Peterson

   Richard Deertrack

   Rory Majenty

   Karen Trevino (2007 Chair and NPS Ex-officio Member)

   Barry Brayer (FAA Ex-officio Member)

Day 1 Agenda
Agenda Items Facilitator/Key Participants Time Allotted
1. Call To Order Chairman (Trevino) 8:30
2. Introductions All 8:30 - 8:40
3. Opening Remarks/NPS/Chair Report Chair (Trevino), Shaver 8:40 - 8:50
4. Opening Remarks/Co-Chair Brayer 8:50 - 9:00
5. Approval of Minutes from Last Meeting Trevino 9:00 - 9:05
6. Review Meeting Agenda Trevino 9:05 - 9:10
7. ATMP Implementation Plan Update McCusker, Ciesla 9:10 - 9:45
8. Break 9:45 - 10:00
9. Presentation: Update on Ongoing ATMP Projects
(Mount Rushmore, HI Parks, Lake Mead, Badlands, Lassen, and FAA & NPS noise monitoring activities for 2007)
FAA and NPS Project Mgrs 10:00 - 11:30
10. Lunch 11:30 - 1:00
11. Review/Status of NPOAG subgroups Trevino 1:00 - 2:00
12. Clean Marina Program John Schoppmann, Clean Marina Program 2:00 - 3:00
13. Break 3:00 - 3:15
14. Proposed Legislative Changes Pickard/Trevino 3:15 - 4:15
15. Air Tour Fees at Other Parks Trevino 4:15 - 4:45
16. Single Aircraft Sensitivity Analysis Cyndy Lee/Kurt Fristrup Added
17. 1st Public Comment Opportunity Public 4:45 - 5:00
Day 1 Evening Group Activity
18. Group Dinner, Location TBD Members, NPS, and FAA 6:00 PM

Day 2 Agenda
Agenda Items Facilitator/Key Participants Time Allotted
19. Call To Order for the Day Chairman (Trevino) 8:00
20. Final Rule on IOA Transferability FAA 8:00 - 8:50
21. Impact-based Metrics Fristrup 8:50 - 9:45
22. Break 9:45 - 10:00
23. Commercial Use Authorizations Kathy Fleming, NPS 10:00 - 11:00
24. Update on Web-based Air Tour Operator Database Matt Metcalfe 11:00 - 12:00
25. Lunch Members, NPS, and FAA 12:00 - 1:15
26. Off Agenda Item Discussion Opportunity NPOAG-ARC Members 1:15 - 1:45
27. Summary of Action Items and
Parking Lot Issues from this meeting
1:45 - 2:10
28. Final Public Comment Public 2:10 - 2:25
29. Closing Remarks by NPOAG-ARC Members NPOAG-ARC Members 2:25 - 2:40
30. Closing Remarks FAA Brayer 2:40 - 2:50
31. Closing Remarks NPS Chair (Trevino) 2:50 - 3:00
32. Meeting Adjourned 3:00

FAA and NPS Staff Resources

Federal Aviation Administration:

  • Lynne Pickard, Deputy Dir., Office of Environment and Energy (202) 267-3263
  • James Whitlow, Deputy Chief Counsel (202) 267-3773
  • Pete Ciesla, ATMP Program Manager (310) 725-3818
  • Keith Lusk, ATMP Program Manager (310) 725-3808
  • Faviola Garcia, ATMP Mgmt. & Program Analyst (310) 725-3821

National Park Service:

  • Chris Shaver, Chief Air Resources Division (303) 969-2074
  • Frank Turina, NPS Natural Sounds Program (970) 225-3530
  • Vicki McCusker, NPS Natural Sounds Program (970) 267-2117
  • Kurt Fristrup, NPS Natural Sounds Program (970) 267-2102

Soundscape surveys were recently conducted at Haleakala and Hawaii Volcanoes National Parks. These surveys were discussed at the NPOAG meeting and are posted here:

  1. Haleakala Soundscape Audio Recording
  2. Haleakala Soundscacpe Attended Listening
  3. Hawaii Volcanoes Audio Recording
  4. Hawaii Volcanoes Attended Listening

Additional Survey Information:

The purpose of this research is to examine the effects of air tour noise on visitors' experiences of park soundscapes in Haleakala and Hawaii Volcanoes National Park. The research will include two primary components. Within the first component of the study, a procedure referred to as attended logging will be administered. Participants in this portion of the study will be asked to listen to the sounds they hear in selected areas of the parks for several minutes. After the listening exercise, visitors will be asked to record the types of sounds they heard on a checklist of potential sounds and to rate each sound they heard on a scale ranging from "pleasing" to "annoying" (Attended Listening survey). Information from this component of the study will provide a quantitative basis for assessing the extent to which visitors notice noise from air tours, and, for those visitors who do notice air tour noise, the extent to which it is evaluated negatively. Within the second component of this study, visitors will be asked to rate a series of audio clips that vary from containing only natural sounds to containing substantial human-caused noise, including noise from air tours (audio recording evaluation survey). The audio clips will be developed by the NPS Natural Sounds Program Center from recordings taken at the parks. Visitors will be asked to evaluate the acceptability of each audio clip. Data from the second component of this study will help provide an empirical basis for establishing minimum acceptable standards for the parks' soundscape conditions.

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